The Boatman's Call Interview
by Jayne Margetts
THERE'S a clarity, fragility and new found courage that clings to Nick Cave's
willowy frame and handsome, crooked smile. The face is a little older and
wearier; the eyes a little less haunted, the alabaster features caught between
the veil of peace and the residue of soul searching. In fact, this pale
angel has shed so many layers of skin and soul on the reverential, intimate
and sparse The Boatman's Call that it would be easy to conclude that,
finally, his journey across oceans of trauma and love have finally delivered
him close to the shadow of his God.
The world is obsessed by Cave and in turn he is obsessed by love, religion
and redemption. His are the psalms that bring warmth in the chill of the
night, they are the croon of the heartbroken, the cry of the lonely albatross
who soars eternally across cold neurotic seas and the strum and weeping
of violins that herald pain and loss in its most desperate hour of need.
He's Leonard Cohen on bended knees praying at the shrine; the black crow
king swooning to vaudevillian and burlesque strums, a drunken sailor of
shipwrecked, bittersweet blues and an evangelist of the sweetest ballads
that drinks from the chalice of dark haired nymphets: "Her widows'
peak, her lips I've kissed. Her glove of bones and her wrist that I have
held in my hands. Her Spanish fly and her monkey gland. Her Godly body and
its fourteen stations. That I have embraced, her palpitations. Her unborn
child crying, 'Mummy' amongst the rubble of her body..."
Cave, the singer/songwriter, author, actor, film score composer and avatar
for the jilted, sits quietly and with unusual restraint, awaiting a plethora
of intimate questions. His mood suggests one of deep introspection and calmness
which is strange. Notoriously fiery, brooding, charismatic and volatile,
there is no trace of the man who sat opposite me four years ago, on a hot
and balmy 40 degree afternoon, chain smoking and flinching at more intimate
probings on the eve of Let Love In's release.
The past three years have seen the break-up of his marriage, falling in
and out of love and/or affairs with elusive women (at an educated guess
P.J. Harvey and Tori Amos [Webmaster's Note: 'HUH?!?!']),
touring rigourously with The Bad Seeds on the
European Festival circuit, releasing the incredibly successful The Murder
Ballads album, guesting on Barry Adamson's album collaborating on a
song titled The Sweetest Embrace, recording with Australia's seminal
The Dirty Three for an X Files Compilation Album [Songs In
the Key of X], reading a piece on radio that he penned titled Religion
And Language, a poetry reading at London's Royal Albert Hall alongside
Kylie Minogue ("that's one of the memories you cling to"), a cameo
appearance in the film Rhinoceros Hunting In Prague and, of course,
writing The Boatman's Call, his most "personal album" to date.
"To me this is the record I've always wanted to make. The record that
took a reasonable amount of courage to actually do," he reflects. "While
I was writing the Murder Ballads record I was also writing this record,
and so, I think I was able to be extremely personal with these songs on
The Boatman's Call because at the same time, I was sitting down,
knocking out these murder ballads, which was kind of the other side
of my desire to tell stories, and I was able to separate the two.
"So you don't get that storytelling feeling so much on this album.
There are certain songs that do run a narrative line, my favourite in that
respect is Far From Me, which was actually written through the course
of a romance, so, that was very much my attempt to articulate what happened
with the gradual disassembling of a romance, the first verse I wrote when
I met this woman, and the last verse I wrote when it was over.
"But, yes, this is my most personal album to date," he continues.
"I kind of write what I'm given in a way, and I just felt at particular
times, this year, very excited about writing about things that had happened
to me, and that's simply the nature of doing what I do," he pauses,
"I think that I've just been much more able to understand a lot of
things that have gone on in my life whereas before I was more concerned
with fictional writing, and it was far more exciting for me to write about
other things that were outside of myself.
"Y'know, to get lost in that world rather than to write about what
actually happened to me. So I didn't set out to write a personal record
as such. I just found myself writing things in that way, and with quite
a few of those it was significant for me at the time to articulate the
events that had happened."
Cave continues by explaining that all of his previous recorded works, are,
in one way or the other, a blacklash against themselves and confesses that
usually when the task of recording is complete he is sick to the stomach
of hearing the songs rebound through his mind. But, that apparently is where
The Boatman's Call differs: "I was kinda thinkful that the Murder
Ballads record was out of the way and it left a lot open for me. I do
look back on things and the songs that I prefer are the songs that do seem
to remind me of things that have happened in my life, and with this album I
still play it and I never played Murder Ballads after it was finished."
As The Boatman's Call suggests - Cave - as always - is a great believer
in the power of love being able to scoop him up into its winged embrace,
and ultimately offering him salvation. But he alludes, with precision and
lucidity, that the past three years have taught him many valuable lessons
about the most sacred of all virtues. "It's difficult to talk about
these sorts of things," he chides uncomfortably.
"I think there's some very bracing and sobering lessons that can be
learnt from love. It doesn't really go the way it's supposed to go, or the
way I've always believed that should be, which is the way we're constantly
fed about the idea of love and particularly about committed relationships
like marriage. That love, in terms of relationships actually has little
to do with things at all," he concedes. "It's about a commitment
to a greater thing and that is the relationship and the relationship being
the commitment of two people.
"There's a lot about love disintegrating on this album because of the
need to believe that love is something that can rescue you, and in fact
it doesn't at all. I mean love - romantic love - is a kind of distraction
in the end."
The history and biographical journey Cave has undertaken has oft been repeated.
Suffice to say that The Birthday Party's primal, gothic and strangled blues
and Nick The Stripper era when Cave, guitarist Mick Harvey, Rowland
S. Howard, bassist Tracy Pew and drummer Phil Calvert cavorted half naked
and smeared in paint around burning fires lasted under a decade and paved
the way for an incarnation even grander.
The formation of The Bad Seeds in Berlin in 1983 with ex-Birthday Party
member Mick Harvey and with the addition of Blixa Bargeld; guitarist for
the avante garde industrialists Einsturzende Neubauten, ex-Magazine
and Pete Shelley bassist Barry Adamson and drummer Hugo Race, later expanded
to include the talents of Anita Harvey [Webmasters Note: No, it's 'Lane'] and ex-Die
Haut member Thomas Wydler.
Throughout the 'mid-80s Cave and The Seeds trimmed back the fat, lost a
few members, added some and delivered some of their most potent and intoxicating
anthems such as Deanna and The Ship Song and albums Kicking Back The Pricks
[actually 'Kicking Against...'], Tender Prey, The Good Son,
Henry's Dream, Live Seeds and Let Love In. And then there was
The Murder Ballads, a chapter that Cave seems eager to forget.
Phenomenally successful, prolific and featuring the collaborative innocence
of Kylie Minogue and the bewitching charms of PJ Harvey, the residue of
The Murder Ballads has left Cave feeling surprisingly ill at ease
and suspicious. "There were something's that were very enjoyable about
the success of The Murder Ballads," he says, "like my relationships
with the other singers, getting to know these people which I value very
much. I really enjoyed - particularly with Kylie - working with her because
she's so removed from what I normally do and that, to me, was a very exciting
thing to do.
"It was very successful, which on the one hand fills me with a sense
of dread because I felt it was a little too successful for what it was actually
worth. I don't think it was that good a record in a lot of ways. It was
a kind of entertaining little record, but I don't feel comparatively it's
success was justified and that gives me an uneasy feeling. But, having said
that I'm very happy that it was successful and yet I'm deeply suspicious.
"I don't judge my work on record sales. I always feel that the last
record I've made was the best one, but I didn't feel that with Murder
Ballads or Henry's Dream either, but, apart from that I've always
felt very confident in myself that the last thing I've done was the best
thing, and I certainly feel that about The Boatman's Call.
Burning a candle for The Boatman's Call and for love in the arms
of a dark haired maiden with a widows peak and green, green eyes, Nick Cave
seems one step closer to home, and an inch closer to redemption. Unable
to re-write the past and shaking his fists in the air, the only place he
sees is tomorrow with all of its dark, sacred and glistening promise ...
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